Her: It's never been right to eat meat, I have never stated once that it's right., I distinctly said that it was about survival back then, now you don't need meat to survive, there are plenty of alternatives. When I see pigs, chickens etc, I see something that has a right to live and breathe, live life the way it's supposed to, bare babies, what do you see?
Me: "It's never been right to eat meat"... Wow, maybe you should do some history research on droughts, and crop failures, and other sorts of things that would've made it so hard to live without eating meat.
You have a complete lack of understanding of the past and are blissfully unaware of how humans have survived however long we've been on earth.
Do you honestly believe that crop harvesting should've been the only way for mankind to survive? The only Neanderthal mindset here is you.
Her: You clearly have no compassion. Were not talking about then, were talking about now, NOW! why do you personally need to eat meat? Thank's for telling me what I think, when you don't know the inside of my mind. I think that the meat industry is appalling and cruel to animals, continuing to eat these same animals allows this to carry on, I think it should change for the better yes, what's so wrong about cutting down or not eating meat, when it causes so much wrong on the planet?
Me: Maybe it is wrong what the industry is doing to chickens and cows - there are different ways of going about fighting for that cause.
Telling people it has been wrong and always will be wrong is NOT the approach to take.
I have no compassion, right, clearly me and the billions of other meat eaters have NO compassion - you're so smart.
I eat meat because its healthy, tasty, and has been done for centuries. Your choice is your choice, there's nothing wrong about mine.
Her: Basic instincts, is that what you call electrocuting, beating, skinning(alive), boiling(alive) these animals? I don't believe factory farming has been done for centuries. The ignorant one in all this is you, ignorant at what I'm saying, it seem's you read something I've said and change it in to what you think I've said
Me: Not really - i've pretty much addressed every point you made in it's exactness.
You think meat eaters are wrong, evil, and have no capacity for compassion. You're probably less than 25 years old, don't know anything about surviving on your own, and are so empathetic that the world revolves around anything that lives and breathes.
Welcome to the real world - people eat meat and have done it for centuries, that is never going to change. It's too readily of a commodity. Sorry.
Her: I will take whatever approach I want to, I'm free to speak my mind as you are, some people listen to me and think I'm wrong others may think I'm right, so it's worth saying what I've got to say for the people who agree with me and for all of the voices that can't defend themselves. Just because sexism, racism happened for centuries, it doesn't mean it should continue, that's a absurd remark, you say tasty- clearly your more interested in your tastebuds than the lives of others, healthy ha ha
Me: Bringing up sexism and racism is totally unrelated because we're different, you said it yourself, and now you're just contradicting yourself.
You can't say that humans shouldn't look at animals as food, and then relate my comments to racism, an issue that is ABOUT humans, what YOU'RE saying, is absurd.
Healthy, yeah, lots of vegans don't follow the right diet and dont eat enough protein because they think they can survive on a salad everyday, do your research.
Her: Maybe there are people that still need to eat it because they have to, I don't agree with this concept but at least it's a liable excuse unlike your's, I don't have a lack of understanding of the past, I study history and archaeology, it is not a human necessity to eat meat, I'm done with arguing with you, I don't plan to waste my evening speaking to some nobody.
Me: You just ignore my rebuttals and take it personally. You're blinded by your emotions, and very ignorant.
It has been a necessity for human survival to eat meat, go back again and read about droughts and crop failures. If you studied history you'd know this, humans didn't just live off veggies and fruits, they'd die.
You're all over the place with your answers - first you say we're not talking about history, then you bring it up. It's because you don't know what youre talking about, sorry =/
Then she sends me this nice "compassionate" message:
Again you know nothing about me, I have survived on my own in many instances actually, my age has nothing to do with anything, I've met children smarter than you, and there's nothing wrong with being empathetic, the world that you see, everything that lives and breathes is very important to the world, what would you do without the oxygen from plants etc and if bee's died out we wouldn't exist.
Sexism and racism is completely relevant as they were also about humans seeing other beings as unequal, people like yourself probably wouldn't have been one of the people standing up for anything but instead only thinking of themselves, and how it has been for years. Just this time its called specism.
What about the people who exist now, called fruitarians, I don't see them dying all over the place, It has also been proved that Vegans and Vegetarians are more healthier than meat eaters and live longer, so I recommend you do some research on your so called healthy diet.
Your the one, that's been going on a one track argument about history and crop failures, to justify the meat industry today.
Your the one that's lost the argument
This is what I'd call a personal rebuttal:
I hope you live a short and unhappy life (like the animals that you eat, so that you can experience life how they do)
good day
Sexism and racism is completely relevant as they were also about humans seeing other beings as unequal, people like yourself probably wouldn't have been one of the people standing up for anything but instead only thinking of themselves, and how it has been for years. Just this time its called specism.
What about the people who exist now, called fruitarians, I don't see them dying all over the place, It has also been proved that Vegans and Vegetarians are more healthier than meat eaters and live longer, so I recommend you do some research on your so called healthy diet.
Your the one, that's been going on a one track argument about history and crop failures, to justify the meat industry today.
Your the one that's lost the argument
This is what I'd call a personal rebuttal:
I hope you live a short and unhappy life (like the animals that you eat, so that you can experience life how they do)
good day
To which I respond with:
To start off - you're an idiot.
Secondly, the first one to get emotional loses, therefore, you lost before we began.
Thirdly - racism is completely irrelevant because, as you said yourself, humans and animals are completely different. We humans have a better understanding of things, therefore, just because something had been done to centuries to humans, it does not hold the same relativity to animals. Wrong again.
Specism? You're hilarious.
To your rebuttal - you're the one calling me not compassionate, yet you personally attack me and tell me to live an unhappy life. Once again, you contradict your own beliefs and what you talk about, and thus, lose credibility for your claims. Not only are you a complete moron, you also have gotten caught up in whatever fantasy world you believe that the whole world will change to your tastes. Something that has been done for millenniums will not go away because it hurts a few peoples feelings.
And as for you saying vegetarian diets are healthier - like I said, there are countless articles and reports of vegetarians that die or become sick because of protein and other deficiencies because they don't understand what it takes. And who are you comparing to anyway? My best friend is a nutritionist, if you understand how diets work you can live a long healthy life eating meat.
The reason I argue about history is because you clearly know nothing about it:
First you say that eating meat has always been wrong - then when I say read history, you say it's irrelevant.
Then you go back to it and say that "humans could've survived without eating meat", which, first of all is hilarious because it's completely untrue and ignorant, but it also contradicts what you just said.
Fruitarian diets fail too, once again, lack of research: http://ezinearticles.com/?Negative-Factors-of-the-Fruitarian-Diet---Why-Doesnt-it-Work?&id=2500439
Any diet fails if you don't understand what nutritions your body needs.
To finish - not only are you terrible at arguing, you also don't know what you're talking about. But hey, you're acting below your age, which is why I called you out on it.
And by the way I'm only 21, but at least I know not to persecute people's choices and act like an adult.
Secondly, the first one to get emotional loses, therefore, you lost before we began.
Thirdly - racism is completely irrelevant because, as you said yourself, humans and animals are completely different. We humans have a better understanding of things, therefore, just because something had been done to centuries to humans, it does not hold the same relativity to animals. Wrong again.
Specism? You're hilarious.
To your rebuttal - you're the one calling me not compassionate, yet you personally attack me and tell me to live an unhappy life. Once again, you contradict your own beliefs and what you talk about, and thus, lose credibility for your claims. Not only are you a complete moron, you also have gotten caught up in whatever fantasy world you believe that the whole world will change to your tastes. Something that has been done for millenniums will not go away because it hurts a few peoples feelings.
And as for you saying vegetarian diets are healthier - like I said, there are countless articles and reports of vegetarians that die or become sick because of protein and other deficiencies because they don't understand what it takes. And who are you comparing to anyway? My best friend is a nutritionist, if you understand how diets work you can live a long healthy life eating meat.
The reason I argue about history is because you clearly know nothing about it:
First you say that eating meat has always been wrong - then when I say read history, you say it's irrelevant.
Then you go back to it and say that "humans could've survived without eating meat", which, first of all is hilarious because it's completely untrue and ignorant, but it also contradicts what you just said.
Fruitarian diets fail too, once again, lack of research: http://ezinearticles.com/?Negative-Factors-of-the-Fruitarian-Diet---Why-Doesnt-it-Work?&id=2500439
Any diet fails if you don't understand what nutritions your body needs.
To finish - not only are you terrible at arguing, you also don't know what you're talking about. But hey, you're acting below your age, which is why I called you out on it.
And by the way I'm only 21, but at least I know not to persecute people's choices and act like an adult.
-- And that's pretty much how it ended, she just responded with, "Your the idiot, now fuck off and argue with someone that actually gives a shit about what you say."
Obviously she gives a shit since she keeps replying.
PEACE.
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grr! We california people struggle with these problems too.. remember california is a liberal state! lol
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